palmetto1 Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 Been studying up on the MBG lines, well mainly Maverick and some Hewes. Trying to read others posts as they ask what model you guys think is best for them to consider. Seems most hulls have had material changes at certain points and even some which morphed into different boats/lines. Be nice if there was a chart somewhere showing when the models had significant changes and what they were. Then you could focus in on the years and models you wanted to pursue. Unfortunately there is no Used Boat Show to go see them all and try them out. I'm totally stumped on bonefisher vs redfisher. I have picked up on lappy hulls, which appear to have gone away around 2000. I will second the opinion of many that I like that look. I now understand the HPX series had a big change in 2009 at least in the 18. And I think I saw before that the HPX hull in certain sizes actually may have come from the Hewes line. Lot to figure out especially when someone says you need to look for X models, but then as you dig in, they often mean that model during certain years. Then they will add but you could also look for a different model which is a variation of the hull or deck from the original model they suggested for you. Its seems the MA's and maybe the PFs have not changed as much over the years, at least the hulls. But who knows maybe I am wrong about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whichwaysup Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 Seems to me we could pool our own knowledge. Most guys on here have had boats for a long time, multiple boats, or at the very least can answer questions about a year (someone on here has about every year, right?) I'll compile if we can get enough folks to help contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfish Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 There is some sprinkling of the info in the individual sections but nothing really organized. I really wish MBC would take the time to help put all the info in one area, but I understand their focus is the new boats, not the old ones. However, Unless it comes from them or thier literature, it is really only speculation at best.... I can help some with the Hewes. There are two main Lapstrake models. The Bonefisher and the Redfisher/Bayfisher. They were avail in 16', 18' and the redfisher/Bayfisher was avail in 19'. The bonefisher was one Lapstrake less (less freeboard in other words) lighter and meant to float little skinnier. The redfisher and bayfisher were same hull the Bayfisher just offered with less options like no under gunnel carpet, courtesy letc and only available in white. Most had C series motors, commercial Yamaha's without oil injection. At some point in 2000's the bonefisher became a Maverick HP-something and the rest of the Hewes lineup started looking like all the other flats boats on the water and I was sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CORBO Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 Justfish is on point with the Lappy's. I've had a 16 bonefisher since 2005. I was told it was one of three built in 2002....that was the last production year. Will have a hard time ever parting with it after 12 years....she's become a good friend. 90 Yam 2 smoke, PT 4 blade pushes her 41+ just me and full fuel. Can't comment on the redfisher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lap it Up Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 Correction: Bonefishers 16 and 18 had the same Amount of Lap strakes as a Redfisher and Bayfisher. Same freeboard. Difference was hull entry V and flatter in the rear. The only Bonefisher with less freeboard were the 2002 and up smooth side models which later become the first HPX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whichwaysup Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 Well, I thought I'd at least put something out there to start with. Not sure the format's quite right, but at least a start based on what I know from my two MAs, what I've heard of 21's, and a place for some Hewes. If anyone posts information on this thread, I will add it to the spreadsheet. Cool little project and may earn itself a sticky spot for posterior . . . er . . .posterity sake! Maverick, Hewes, Pathy Model History.xlsx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfish Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 Could be right, maybe the flatter rear gave it the less freeboard effect. I owned a 16' Bayfisher for 10 years when I first saw a 16 bonefisher it felt like it had had considerable less in rear. They always seem to float a little more "squattie" as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 This is cool, but also think MBC should do it so we get it stright. Im with Justfish, that the Lappy Bonefisher had one less strake, but I don't think the Bonefisher always had one less. Pretty sure all 3 models had the same hull, just different interior liners. Also I think the Bonefisher continued as a Lappy after the Redfisher went to the flat side, for another year or so. Then it became the predecessor to the HPX, before it became a Maverick. But really not too sure on any of this. Compare these two. https://charleston.craigslist.org/boa/5976592214.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfish Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 Yup one less lap on the black one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 Can tell you, in 2000 they changed the decks/liner to a new layout on the 18MA, and I believe in 2004 they used carbon in the liner and hatches with the same layout.. Also in 2003, they changed the deck/liner on the 17MA using carbon with a new layout. Sometime in the late 80's early 90's they changed the transom, and got rid of the sponsons. Think at that time the also changed the front deck so it was flat. That all i got for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lap it Up Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 40 minutes ago, justfish said: Yup one less lap on the black one Looks to have changed in 2000 then again in 2002 to the HPX style. 1970's to 1999 seem to have 4. My 1989 Bonefisher definitely had 4. Regardless, Bonefisher and Redfisher/Bayfisher are different hulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmetto1 Posted February 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 I think this is helpful. Thanks Gus for signing up to assist. Agree be great if MBC did it, but til they do maybe we can piece it together. Or maybe they take what we come up with and just tweak it. Totally should become a sticky. Surely someone knows about the PFs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishmanjj Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 I would say that one of the PF experts is Hobo. If he is still active on the forum, he knows PF's inside and out, forward and backwards. He has owned and or rigged probably every model they ever made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfish Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Pathfinders are lil confusing as well I'm pretty sure the 1810 turned into 1900 around 2000 are actually same boat. They added the same rear drains that the other models have in 2003 which was last year for them I believe. they also made a 1806 which was much narrower and didn't have rod lockers or rear deck. Not sure of years but it was original Pathfinder so I would guess early. There are a few years of different models of the 22' when they made a V, tourney and XL model. About the same time they made a 19 and 21 pathfinder fusion. I have no idea of the years on any of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplec Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 7 hours ago, justfish said: quote of the year in regard to the vintage "...and I was sad." Well said Justfish! And to add a little something constructive...the only change I know of to the 18.5 MA line was a deck layout change in maybe 1998. The cap was changed a bit and hatch config was changed. To my knowledge the hull remained the same, deadrise etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmetto1 Posted February 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Saw this post on THT which had some info to go along with this. http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-forum/632961-difference-between-vintage-hewes-models.html#b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurem Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Add on to the Bonefisher/Redfisher/Bayfisher... The Bonefisher had a different console that was more flat on the top than the redfisher/Bayfisher console. In 98 when I bought my Bayfisher, I looked at both and was told the bonefisher draft a touch less (maybe and inch) and had a different console. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fin-addict Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 2200v, in 2002 they added the front deck storage hatch and the gunnels were widened. sure there were more changes in 02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeviam Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 hour ago, lurem said: Add on to the Bonefisher/Redfisher/Bayfisher... The Bonefisher had a different console that was more flat on the top than the redfisher/Bayfisher console. In 98 when I bought my Bayfisher, I looked at both and was told the bonefisher draft a touch less (maybe and inch) and had a different console. Lurem, I'm fairly sure that the Bonefisher 16 never had a stepped transom (or transom pocket). Did your Bayfisher 16 have a stepped transom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulligan Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 http://skiffrepublic.com/interviews/skiff-republic-interview-scott-deal/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whichwaysup Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Whew - I have a lot of compiling!! Keep it coming. Open to suggestions, but here's what I'm planning to do: Organize the spreadsheet better with tabs for each product line (17 MA, Hewes Bonefisher, etc). Left column will list years down from whatever the earliest dates we need for that model. Across the top, a column for Hull change notes, a column for cap changes, a column for options that may or may not have been chosen A column that will indicate ("x") any years that represented significant hull/cap/design changes. Anything else you can think of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Maybe a spot for a pic of each year. It might take time to find a pic of each boat from different years, but it will be a living document. Or something like a photo album to thumb through by year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurem Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 22 hours ago, geeviam said: Lurem, I'm fairly sure that the Bonefisher 16 never had a stepped transom (or transom pocket). Did your Bayfisher 16 have a stepped transom? No, it did not. The Bayfisher also did not have a livewell pickup under the boat. The pickup tube was located on the backside of the transom and would actually pull the water out of the livewell and drain it while running on plane. It was an easy fix with a angled tube or scoop mount to make it pickup water while on plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfish Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 20 hours ago, fin-addict said: 2200v, in 2002 they added the front deck storage hatch and the gunnels were widened. sure there were more changes in 02 They also did away with the cushion rod lockers and the exposed cleats. Def a lot of good changes in 02 for pathfinders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmetto1 Posted February 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 See to me even if we don't get all the changes documented , just to know that the 2200V had material upgrades in 2002 is valuable info if you are searching for used boats. For me, Id probably only search for 02 and newer if thats the case or at least want a bigger discount on an 01 and earlier. Keep it coming, spoke to Whichwaysup last night and I think he will be a shoo-in when this is all finished and later MBG wants to hire a company Historian .......I bet that job pays almost nothing but has lots of time off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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