Garmin ????

[George Seither]

So I'm curious on the boats departing the factory, are more boats headed to dealers with electronics or blank consoles for dealer install work, I would thing more blank consoles are headed out the door for customer preference and keeping up with electronics changes is almost impossible.

[hurricane]

I don't care for Garmin because of the requirement to use only their maps, lack of customization and its too simple. Now simple is good for some people but personally not for me. My example is overlay data.  Garmin you get one size in location. Lowrance, I can choose the size and move it wherever I want it located on the screen. Maybe this has been updated in the newer models, but this was not an option in the units I have used. Good or bad, I want options.

We all my be screwed anyway now that Garmin has bought Navionics. FMT looks great, I  don't I need the tracks options and FMT is pricey. Pricey but worth it if thats what you need/want.

[slyshon]

39 minutes ago, George Seither said:

So I'm curious on the boats departing the factory, are more boats headed to dealers with electronics or blank consoles for dealer install work, I would thing more blank consoles are headed out the door for customer preference and keeping up with electronics changes is almost impossible.

I don't know the percentages but we install a lot of electronics here especially on the Cobia and Pathfinder product, not so much on the M and H product.  In many cases the dealer and customer want a turn key product delivered where the dealer adds gas and the boat is delivered.  The numbers have really increased in the past 2 years as many customers don't want to wait while the dealer installs stuff.

Skip  

[Wanaflatsfish]

1 hour ago, slyshon said:

Now we have to reprogram our console cuts, acrylic panels, etc not to mention our standard install practices.  

Skip,

Well said, if someone want's something "Bespoke" on skiff, there are many aftermarket specialists, (Inshoremarine  or Ralph at AIM Welding for example) who will craft what you might want....for MHP to have production inventory of every possible option of electronics, radios, etc. is cost prohibitive.  Note, you all do have top of the line offerings...Power Pole, Garmin, Ameritrail, etc.    the new FMT chip is definately throwing a wrench in the Florida electronics market for shallow water skiffs/bay boats, but, in the big picture, it's (the FMT) not signficant when you consider all the marine electronics as a whole......e.g. large center consoles, etc. and offshore powerboats and sail.

DC

 

 

 

[Skinny Running]

2 hours ago, slyshon said:

A bit different than tires I can assure you, very similar to gelcoat colors.  We offer 6 "standard" colors per year because that is what our system will handle.  Offering more options enlists more work for everyone including sales, marketing, purchasing, manufacturing, dealers etc.   As I stated earlier, the electronics technology changes weekly if not daily, really hard to keep up with.  A great example is today's Garmin who are in the midst of changing the 76 series units to 86 series, this means many changes for us in manufacturing as our system is set up to handle the 76 series.  Now we have to reprogram our console cuts, acrylic panels, etc not to mention our standard install practices.  

Skip 

I think Gelcoat a very poor analogy.   Applying Gel coat vs. installing one rectangular box in lieu of another with very similar dimensions is apples and oranges.  But if you want to use that it seems very funny that even though doing gel coat is far more of a complicated process that takes some time you still offer six options.  But then with a gps, it's only one option that can be installed in a couple of hours and you choose the worst possible one for the end user.  And the fact that the units change a lot over the course of a year or two with new units and features does nothing at all to make  a case that Garmin is the best choice.  So you are constantly making minor mods to deal with new Garmin equipment.  If you are doing that successfully you can just as easily adapt to add alternatives mfgs and use a different power cord.  It's a minor different hole (if you flush mount) and a different cord.  No problem at all and it is not any less efficient if the installer is decent. Installing one gps vs another is no different efficiency wise from installing one transducer vs. another.     

Why you are continuing to recommend this platform when it is so bad for inshore boaters makes no sense to me and I think you have not been honest about why you do it.  You make inshore boats but continue to recommend and sell a machine to turnkey buyers that will show them running on land when they are floating and even after hearing all of the complaints for so long on your own blog you continue to do that?  How bad does something have to be before you would not consider recommending it?  How many complaints from customers do you need all saying pretty much the same thing before you would think perhaps there is a better option?  I don't see any threads from the inshore crowd titled.. boy this garmin is fantastic!  Its pretty much all the opposite and in quantity too across lots of blogs and for a few years and running.  

I don't know what the reason is for the worst option and no alternatives policy for turn key deliveries but what ever it is I think it has much more to do with something personal to you than the final end user as that is the only conclusion a reasonable person can draw given the enormous contrasts and empty illogical arguments you have provided.  Sorry if you offended by the direct response but I call it like I see it and always challenge evasive and oblique responses.

 

[fin-addict]

Agree with Wana all the way skip. MBC can only do so much. JMO, leave the consoles naked and have the dealer and buyer work out the wanted product and it’s placement. Just too many products to please everyone. FMT not helping this at all. Nice to have if you have a big screen tv mounted, lol, too pricy for what it does, not covering a lot of areas. If you know how to use a gps, really not needed. People want things to simple and do not take the time to learn what their units can do. No one if forcing anyone to use a certain product. My feelings are there are way too many series of gps units on the market, even more so since they change and update almost daily. KNOW I am going to get flack on this post so take your best shot, lol. 😀😀😀 fin

[George Seither]

Thanks for the reply Skip 

 

[conocean]

1 hour ago, Skinny Running said:

I think Gelcoat a very poor analogy.   Applying Gel coat vs. installing one rectangular box in lieu of another with very similar dimensions is apples and oranges.  But if you want to use that it seems very funny that even though doing gel coat is far more of a complicated process that takes some time you still offer six options.  But then with a gps, it's only one option that can be installed in a couple of hours and you choose the worst possible one for the end user.  And the fact that the units change a lot over the course of a year or two with new units and features does nothing at all to make  a case that Garmin is the best choice.  So you are constantly making minor mods to deal with new Garmin equipment.  If you are doing that successfully you can just as easily adapt to add alternatives mfgs and use a different power cord.  It's a minor different hole (if you flush mount) and a different cord.  No problem at all and it is not any less efficient if the installer is decent. Installing one gps vs another is no different efficiency wise from installing one transducer vs. another.     

Why you are continuing to recommend this platform when it is so bad for inshore boaters makes no sense to me and I think you have not been honest about why you do it.  You make inshore boats but continue to recommend and sell a machine to turnkey buyers that will show them running on land when they are floating and even after hearing all of the complaints for so long on your own blog you continue to do that?  How bad does something have to be before you would not consider recommending it?  How many complaints from customers do you need all saying pretty much the same thing before you would think perhaps there is a better option?  I don't see any threads from the inshore crowd titled.. boy this garmin is fantastic!  Its pretty much all the opposite and in quantity too across lots of blogs and for a few years and running.  

I don't know what the reason is for the worst option and no alternatives policy for turn key deliveries but what ever it is I think it has much more to do with something personal to you than the final end user as that is the only conclusion a reasonable person can draw given the enormous contrasts and empty illogical arguments you have provided.  Sorry if you offended by the direct response but I call it like I see it and always challenge evasive and oblique responses.

 

Wow! Based on the most recent posts you've made I think we all know how you feel about Garmin!! 😂 

I've got zero skin in this game and could care less what GPS anyone prefers but we all have a choice to do our own research and purchase any unit we want. I prefer running naked with no GPS! 😎 

[mulligan]

How is Garmin being recommended by the factory?  Is it simply because the offer it?   They once put Lowrance in their boats from what I recall.  I don't see the big deal if Garmin is on the list of options but not Brand X.  Simply put in whatever brand fits your fancy.  I know I would rather put a GPS myself than a factory unit just because I could put it where I choose not where someone else thinks its best for me.

If you look at it like buying a new truck, yes I know not the same, you can choose a few different radio styles but you can't choose the brand.  Same as the tires like someone said a few post up.  I know my truck came with Bridgestone, no where did I see I could get Toyo. 

[fin-addict]

Mulligan,

you must have been reading my mind. Was just about to post the exact same as you about placement and most of all purchasing a vehicle. You hit the nail right on the head. It is what it is. Don’t like it look elsewhere. Not going to please everyone and expecting what is not possible. Have seen over many years that MBC has done their best to accommodate the wants and needs of their customers. Kudos to MBC  fin

 

[HoneyB]

Wow is it easier to bash a brand than to buy a the boat with no cut out?  

 Jesus why do you guys keep showing up to tell people there units are ***? Why do you show up to jump on skip as a rep for the builder? 

We all got it u do not like Garmin.. really you do not need to keep repeating 

[slyshon]

2 hours ago, Skinny Running said:

I think Gelcoat a very poor analogy.   Applying Gel coat vs. installing one rectangular box in lieu of another with very similar dimensions is apples and oranges.  But if you want to use that it seems very funny that even though doing gel coat is far more of a complicated process that takes some time you still offer six options.  But then with a gps, it's only one option that can be installed in a couple of hours and you choose the worst possible one for the end user.  And the fact that the units change a lot over the course of a year or two with new units and features does nothing at all to make  a case that Garmin is the best choice.  So you are constantly making minor mods to deal with new Garmin equipment.  If you are doing that successfully you can just as easily adapt to add alternatives mfgs and use a different power cord.  It's a minor different hole (if you flush mount) and a different cord.  No problem at all and it is not any less efficient if the installer is decent. Installing one gps vs another is no different efficiency wise from installing one transducer vs. another.     

Why you are continuing to recommend this platform when it is so bad for inshore boaters makes no sense to me and I think you have not been honest about why you do it.  You make inshore boats but continue to recommend and sell a machine to turnkey buyers that will show them running on land when they are floating and even after hearing all of the complaints for so long on your own blog you continue to do that?  How bad does something have to be before you would not consider recommending it?  How many complaints from customers do you need all saying pretty much the same thing before you would think perhaps there is a better option?  I don't see any threads from the inshore crowd titled.. boy this garmin is fantastic!  Its pretty much all the opposite and in quantity too across lots of blogs and for a few years and running.  

I don't know what the reason is for the worst option and no alternatives policy for turn key deliveries but what ever it is I think it has much more to do with something personal to you than the final end user as that is the only conclusion a reasonable person can draw given the enormous contrasts and empty illogical arguments you have provided.  Sorry if you offended by the direct response but I call it like I see it and always challenge evasive and oblique responses.

 

Not going to internet argue here and I can assure you our offering Garmin is not personal.  It is very clear you don't prefer them so you are free to order any of our products without electronics and install the brand you prefer.  

 

Skip

[MuddyBottomBluz]

On 4/1/2019 at 1:33 PM, slyshon said:

 

 

.  Again, we do offer blank transoms if someone wants a different engine breed.

 

Skip   

Forget the electronics, I'm liking the fact that you can order an MBG product with a blank transom!

[HewesYourDaddy]

If I were to “call it like I see it”, as Skinny Running has so eloquently put it, I would probably be banned from the forum with my response to his last post. Skinny Running - if you’ve got a bone to pick or just can’t keep your fingers from posting what you’re thinking, please do it on another forum. This is one of the few Internet forums that remains relatively civil in our responses to each other. You’ve heard Skip’s response, and God knows we’ve heard yours. As my mother use to tell me when I was a kid - “just drop it”. 

[fin-addict]

Thank you HYD. Been wanting to say the same in my own way. Would be banned also. I started this thread and it now has gotten out of hand when you come down on Skip who has done nothing but great things for all of us. I ask a Mod at this time to shut this thread down. 🙏😡🤬fin

[Moderator]

23 minutes ago, HewesYourDaddy said:

If I were to “call it like I see it”, as Skinny Running has so eloquently put it, I would probably be banned from the forum with my response to his last post. Skinny Running - if you’ve got a bone to pick or just can’t keep your fingers from posting what you’re thinking, please do it on another forum. This is one of the few Internet forums that remains relatively civil in our responses to each other. You’ve heard Skip’s response, and God knows we’ve heard yours. As my mother use to tell me when I was a kid - “just drop it”. 

Thank you for the compliment pertaining to this forum remaining civil. We will periodically miss something. But I assure you MOD 1 (Marc) and I do our best to remove issues (Permanently if warranted!). MOD2 (Bubba)!

[Moderator]

4 minutes ago, fin-addict said:

Thank you HYD. Been wanting to say the same in my own way. Would be banned also. I started this thread and it now has gotten out of hand when you come down on Skip who has done nothing but great things for all of us. I ask a Mod at this time to shut this thread down. 🙏😡🤬fin

Fin

Skip is an administrator and will also delete or ban as needed. MOD2

[fin-addict]

2 minutes ago, Moderator said:

Fin

Skip is an administrator and will also delete or ban as needed. MOD2

 

2 minutes ago, Moderator said:

Fin

Skip is an administrator and will also delete or ban as needed. MOD2

😀😀😀fin

[slyshon]

It's all good, we all have our opinions!

Skip

[Skinny Running]

46 minutes ago, HewesYourDaddy said:

If I were to “call it like I see it”, as Skinny Running has so eloquently put it, I would probably be banned from the forum with my response to his last post. Skinny Running - if you’ve got a bone to pick or just can’t keep your fingers from posting what you’re thinking, please do it on another forum. This is one of the few Internet forums that remains relatively civil in our responses to each other. You’ve heard Skip’s response, and God knows we’ve heard yours. As my mother use to tell me when I was a kid - “just drop it”. 

Perhaps you may prefer the Berkeley Campus Boat Forum?  They will ban you, arrest you and expel you over there if they don't like what you have to say no matter how you choose to say it and not matter how relevant or truthful it may be.  There may not be guaranteed free speech here but  I guess I should thank the mods for recognizing the value in direct respectful and truthful dialog and not getting too oversensitive as some may do about direct comments on a totally valid issue that has been raised by lots of boaters on this very forum for quite some time.  

 

[THE OUTLAW]

LOVE MY NEW GARMIN !

🇺🇸☠️

[MuddyBottomBluz]

What changed? I understand you had problems. Just wondering.

[bernieNC]

Love all my Garmins (four)!

[THE OUTLAW]

When Garmin sends you a $900 unit for $150 .

I like .

When you get text messages n facebook notifications on gps.

I like .

When your phone , and tablet become a GPS . ( Active Captain)

I like.

When you can now see every dockpiling, deprh contour boat slip etc .

I like.

Chirp

sideview

clearview

= like

Best customer service

Best $150 spent on sled .

🇺🇸👊🏻

 

[THE OUTLAW]

1 hour ago, MuddyBottomBluz said:

What changed? I understand you had problems. Just wondering.

Rhe problem was I had an older unit , which was not compatable with the G3 Vision card , so they upgraded me to a 74sv with Navionics and G3 preloaded and it is a huge upgrade from my sexton and rock n string.

🇺🇸☠️